The Stifling on Chat is killing the game

[mrbrklyn]

Respect to every DM that stand for his views and does not let some individuals abuse or spoil the game. I trust that's not what you ment by 'regular play and conversation'.

Uhhhh I think so, but I didn't understand you.

DMs )as a group) and players (as a group) must have mutual respect, or nothing works. Normal play is any play which is respectful of other players (very broadly). Discussing play on the shout channel, or even C programming on the shout channel, is not a problem with normal play (unless someone complains that C programming is off topic and then a DM can easily step in then and ask to push that conversation off list).

Listen, I remember playing with my kids once this summer, 4 kids on the server and my self, and Bort was having a hillarious duel in the arena with someone - shouting all the time with the other fellow. It was hillarious and half the board joined in the conversation making fun of their silliness. The kids were in stiches and the opposing player made off with Borts finger after he ran off his mouth!

This is a CRITICLE part of the game.

This would have gotten 5 people muzzles and banned today.....

Ruben

[Casper]

This would have gotten 5 people muzzles and banned today.....

Indeed, this is what the chat channel is for.

[mrbrklyn]

<<All this time you seem to be referring to some hypothetical DMs. Could you please give some specific examples where DMs intervened, explain how the problem was not handled well, and what in your opinion would have been the correct response to the rules violation the DMs intervened about?>>

As a rule, I won't drag anyones name through the mud in public. However, I've had Dms pop up in front of me when I used shout and demand I behave because I have children on the server. I've been telported out of my map when I shouted a question, and threatened through tell. I've had DMs pop into a dispute when I had a map and was invaded by another player, and accuse me of invading HIS map based on his complaint to a DM. I've seen about every variation of craziness.

These are NOT trained DMs. They are just volunteers.

It also ignors that this rule is destroying the camradere on the board, and reduces the oppurtunity to make new friends.

the new rules give players more freedom to choose what they hear. You seem to be not wanting to give everyone else this freedom.

They ALWAYS had this freedom. They can turn it off. Without Camrader you might as well just play on your own private server. Nobody will bother you then.

Ruben

[Salathar]

The DMS are smothering the players....

You are referriong to offenders, right? The ones that set traps to kill other players, lag the server, pk for fun, insult and taunt younger players,..this list can go on.

In most cases a DM is nice enough to give an advance warning to stop the undesirable behaviour at it's root. However, unfortunately there is no DM online at all times simply because of the nature of what a DM is and the amount of time people are prepared to dedicate themselves to others.

There are many servers out there without any DMs, they happen to have no players either, can you see the correlation?

That is very questionable. I avoid DMs like the plague. They are mostly young, ignorant, and incapable of rational judgement. It also ignors that this rule is destroying the camradere on the board, and reduces the oppurtunity to make new friends.

I start to suspect that you might be playing on some other server than metalforge too, and it's _those_ DMs you are referring too. The DMs I know, and I don't want to start on personallity discussions here happen to be bright and helpful people. Some of them are an important part of server comminity which holds it together.

Also for some reason I though that the average age of mf DMs was 30+ which makes me wonder how old you are and what kind of standards of judgement you demand.

The rule in question is : 'chat now allows offtopic conversations, how exactly this is destroying the potential of making new friends?

[cavesomething]

Does anyone know what exactly is turned off in the move from listen 9 to listen 8?

I am thinking that a 'solution', such as one would exist, would be to budge shout to listen level 9, and create an announce command that is dm only, but propagates to everyone, at the same level as shout is at now.

[mrbrklyn]

This would have gotten 5 people muzzles and banned today.....

Indeed, this is what the chat channel is for.

Really - well it SUCKS and it fails to do that, because that is EXACLTY what should was carved out and designed to do.

The proof is in the puddle. The Chat channel has unleashed a blight of over regulation on the players and annoyed most of the players.

Ruben

[mrbrklyn]

Does anyone know what exactly is turned off in the move from listen 9 to listen 8?

I am thinking that a 'solution', such as one would exist, would be to budge shout to listen level 9, and create an announce command that is dm only, but propagates to everyone, at the same level as shout is at now.

I doubt anyone knows what exactly each listen level is. If it is so darn important that it needed to be adresses with a Chat Channel and a Chat Rule, then the listen command should have been up front and center on the documentation in the live game and the default should have been Chat ON

But I agree with you.

Ruben

[poof]

... I avoid DMs like the plague. They are mostly young, ignorant, and incapable of rational judgement. ...

Oh good grief. This is just too silly. Talk about generalizations ... you generalize that enforcing shout and chat rules is "abusive" to all the players. Now you generalize that DMs are mostly (in brief) teenagers. Totally voids your arguments.

[mrbrklyn]

The rule in question is : 'chat now allows offtopic conversations, how exactly this is destroying the potential of making new friends?

This is disingenous since this is not the whole rule. It is the part that restricts Shout which has become the problem.

Ruben

[mrbrklyn]

... I avoid DMs like the plague. They are mostly young, ignorant, and incapable of rational judgement. ...

Oh good grief. This is just too silly. Talk about generalizations ... you generalize that enforcing shout and chat rules is "abusive" to all the players. Now you generalize that DMs are mostly (in brief) teenagers. Totally voids your arguments.

Nothing voids my arguements. I stand by my words. Rick is the only one I've ever been able to talk to about any problems in the role of DM.

Ruben