The Stifling on Chat is killing the game

[cavesomething]

there _must_ have been rule breaking if a DM had to interfere.

yes, if a DM was required to interfere, then there must have been rule breaking, but if a DM /did/ interfere, they did not neccessarily /have/ to do so. Since the complaint concerns over-active dms your point is a non-sequiter at best.

[Salathar]

Aside which, the major problem here is the chat channel rule.

So what exactly is the problem?

What is the subject line of this thread?

Ruben

It all suddenly starts to make sense, we are going in a direction of 'what should be on chat' as opposed to 'I want to use shout as I please'.

Offtopic chatter is allowed which is a major change since at least summer, when offtopic chatter was no allowed in shout. So how do you call this 'Stifling' ? This is a huge relaxation of the rules which is happily seen in a form of 'chat.

[mrbrklyn]

there _must_ have been rule breaking if a DM had to interfere.

yes, if a DM was required to interfere, then there must have been rule breaking, but if a DM /did/ interfere, they did not neccessarily /have/ to do so. Since the complaint concerns over-active dms your point is a non-sequiter at best.

Correct. But the problem is that Leaf doesn't have the resources to asure the prudent enforcement of the rules and the DMs can not be trusted to not become abussive and expand any rule enforcement to the maximum level that they can. It is just the nature of people in that they are volunteering, and it is an ego trip. The only two solutions is to either kill this rule, or change the programming so that the chat channel is the default communication channel. The programming is not going to be done in the near future. So the RULE HAS TO GO.

Ruben

[Salathar]

there _must_ have been rule breaking if a DM had to interfere.

yes, if a DM was required to interfere, then there must have been rule breaking, but if a DM /did/ interfere, they did not neccessarily /have/ to do so. Since the complaint concerns over-active dms your point is a non-sequiter at best.

Quite on the contrary, DM interference = rule breaking, where 'rule breaking' can fall under the clause 'do what a dm says or else'.

What is claimed to be an over active DM here, is probably someone breaking some rules or commiting undesirable act which is against the interest of all players and then complaining that a DM did not have to interfere.

In most cases a DM is nice enough to give an advance warning to stop the undesirable behaviour at it's root. However, unfortunately there is no DM online at all times simply because of the nature of what a DM is and the amount of time people are prepared to dedicate themselves to others.

There are many servers out there without any DMs, they happen to have no players either, can you see the correlation?

[Salathar]

The only two solutions is to either kill this rule, or change the programming so that the chat channel is the default communication channel. The programming is not going to be done in the near future. So the RULE HAS TO GO.

I think that making listen 10 default level is a good idea. With those wishing to ignore 'chat taking time to type 'listen 9. On the other hand typing 'listen 10 ain't that difficuilt either. So why does the rule have to go again?

[mrbrklyn]

<<Offtopic chatter is allowed which is a major change since at least summer, when offtopic chatter was no allowed in shout. So how do you call this 'Stifling' ? This is a huge relaxation of the rules which is happily seen in a form of 'chat.>>

What? Nobody ever enforce the rule of no off-topics on shout to any dillitating extent and now noone can say BOOOO any more in shout without getting run down.


Ruben

[mrbrklyn]

<<I think that making listen 10 default level is a good idea. With those wishing to ignore 'chat taking time to type 'listen 9. On the other hand typing 'listen 10 ain't that difficuilt either. So why does the rule have to go again?>>


That with a HUGE MOTD to say
type:
CHAT I want to talk to everyone
when you mean

SHOUT I want to talk to everyone

and then say

SHOUT The server is going berzerk
When you have a server problem or need DM help.
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But this is completely changing the working of the game. Turn off Chat, keep SHOUT and make a DM Channel or Party


Ruben

[mrbrklyn]

I think that making listen 10 default level is a good idea. With those wishing to ignore 'chat taking time to type 'listen 9. On the other hand typing 'listen 10 ain't that difficuilt either. So why does the rule have to go again?

As long as it gets the damn DMs off everyones back for regular play and conversation.


Ruben

[Salathar]

Correct. But the problem is that Leaf doesn't have the resources to asure the prudent enforcement of the rules and the DMs can not be trusted to not become abussive and expand any rule enforcement to the maximum level that they can.

It does really sound like a personal problem which may affect a very small number of people, you should probably bring this up with Leaf and it's not a reason to make server wide rule amendments.

DMs _should_ expand the rules unforcement, because that's part of a reason for haivn g a DM in the first place.

However, the recruiting policies are up to a server admin, and what he says goes argue or not. But if an admin does choose to give someone DM access they better prove themselves worthy, or so would most players would want I presume.

[cavesomething]

Seems to me like it is changing the name of one command. Wouldn't go so far as claim it completly changes the game.