Serpentman

Ymir · Post by **Ymir** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:52 pm

I was looking at the serpentman and thinking to myself 'wait if he's cold blooded, why dose he get hurt by the cold- shoulden't he just slow down?'

I admit this would be a bit more programming intensive with respect for the serpentmen, but I was thinking it would be neat to change there resitances to be +30 for fire AND ice, but they would speed up and slow down when hit with fire and ice attacks as the heat and cold speeds up and slows down there matabolisim respectively; I'll outline a system for that below.

Fire dammage- for every ten points of dammage suffered speed inreases by .1 points, regeneration increases by 1 point and food consumption increases by 5 points- to a maximum of +.5 speed, 5 points of regeneration and 25 points of food consumption (Basically chewing through your food supplies in a ridiculusly small period of time

Cold dammage- for every ten poitns of cold dammage suffered speed decreases by .1 points, regeneration decreases by 1 point, and food consumption decreases by 2 points- to a maximum of -.5 speed, -5 poitns of regeneration and -10 points of food consumption (or perhaps only -5 poitns of food consuption to prevent abuse).

The effect should either be 'perminant' untile changed (or reset with a restoration) or else reset very very slowly so that a serpentman player will need to watch there current frozen/heated status after the battel at hand as well as during. I also believe it should not effect mana regeneration or piety regeneration.

Valderan · Post by **Valderan** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:47 pm

While this is a generally good idea, I would have to disagree, because do you think a lizard, "cold blooded" will just start moving faster because hes being burned by a meteor swarm? Sure the heat would make his blood move faster and stuff, but if we are looking at it like that..wouldnt it also melt his scales and skin etc and slow him down? The same goes for cold blooded, just because something is cold blooded doesnt mean it will survive when it has liquid nitrogen poured on it(Science shows are quite scary

). Im just pointing out that your talking about effects of small temperatures, while almost every time you will be hit by fire or ice in CF your talking extreme temperatures for a short period of time.

Ymir · Post by **Ymir** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:04 pm

Valderan wrote:While this is a generally good idea, I would have to disagree, because do you think a lizard, "cold blooded" will just start moving faster because hes being burned by a meteor swarm? Sure the heat would make his blood move faster and stuff, but if we are looking at it like that..wouldnt it also melt his scales and skin etc and slow him down? The same goes for cold blooded, just because something is cold blooded doesnt mean it will survive when it has liquid nitrogen poured on it(Science shows are quite scary ). Im just pointing out that your talking about effects of small temperatures, while almost every time you will be hit by fire or ice in CF your talking extreme temperatures for a short period of time.

I don't know; Cold bloodedness is listed as the jusfitication for the -50 to cold resistance that the serpentman has and that seems even more 'wrong', as well undead have cold resistance- persumabally because they have no vital functions that rely on fluid movement; because you could just as easily dip a zombie in liquid nitrogen and it will shatter just like a warm blooded creature or a cold bloodec creature; so the assumption is allready in game that the dammage from cold effects is at least partially reliant on the bodys ability to cope with temprature change rather then spot freezing; and if that's the case, then the serpentman is being represented 'incorrectly' (my opinion).

It is also my opinion (perhaps flawed) that magic attacks (fire and cold included, but any magic attack type) based attacks were 'magically permiating'; and heated or cooled the target as a whole, rather then acting like a sudden gust of extreme temprature, they instead cause a sudden, but small, shift in the targets whole body temprature (Else any form of armour or shield, or even clothing, should protect a charecter from them quite effectively), and that objects were frozen/burned because of ther much reduced mass when compared to your average adventurer (5 degree difference to a 400kg charecter = 500 degree difference to a 4kg object= toasty object); and if it's a matter of permiating heat or cold: It only takes a 12 degree (farenheit) change inside a warm blooded creature to cause death, whereas a cold blooded creature can resist more then 20 and still be happy as a toad (but would have it's metabolisim sped up or slowed down by the effect).

Valderan · Post by **Valderan** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:09 pm

Ehh just to say, the reason why wraiths have cold resist, they kinda partially dont exist. Its hard to freeze a mass together that is barely there. While it is easy to seperate a mass that is already indistinct, (liquids go to gas more easily then solid to gas, and gas goes to liquid easier then solid etc) So that explains wraiths resist if you wanna go with that. But all around what im saying is, they are cold blooded yes, but cold blooded creatures dont suddenly become faster just because they warm up, and theres no reason to add that feature to serpentmen.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:08 pm

Lizards love the heat. When I was little we used to keep a pair of iguanas in a cage. It had to be heated day nad night to almost a boiling temperature, and the lizards spent most of their day just sitting there on a stick not moving much. However when they ever saw a chance to escape from the cage you sould have just seen their lightning fast movement and reaction speeds!

Frogs can also comfortably be frozen, and then when defrosted again will function well again.

However liquid nitrogen still kills them... as getting struck by a meteor swarm would also I imagine!

Oh, and an off-topic question regarding meteor swarm and comet: How do they work underground?

cavesomething · Post by **cavesomething** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:25 pm

I always assumed that meteor swarms were created by the caster, and hurled outwards from them (this is how they are shown to travel after all) .

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:43 pm

You describe picking up a boulder and throwing it at someone. Comets and meteors are things from outer space. But then if you believe in demons and trolls what's a meteor materialising 30 floors underground?

cavesomething · Post by **cavesomething** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:42 pm

good point, since they are hitting the ground it should be meteorite storm not meteor storm.....