Crossfire Forum

Rednaxela wrote:I agree, I think it should limit to 110. In addition, perhaps the lvl of the rod should be limited to your skill lvl in what ever skill ends up being used to make this (whether it's like alch, or like a new spell).

Yep, that sounds good.

anyway, i think the scrolls idea is nice for wands and staves, but just doesn't fit rods.

Using 500 lvl 20 scrolls of burning hands and an empty staff should give a staff of burning hands (lvl xyz) (500 charges left) with xyz =min(min(scroll lvl), skill lvl,max_lvl) where max_lvl is the max lvl you want to have wands and staves produced at.

So, X scrolls of Y (lvl Z) (and some other ingredients) produce a staff/wand of Y (lvl min(Z, skill_lvl, 110)) that has X charges left

about the backfire: red death is not much of a problem, simply cast restoration
MS backfire is worse, even for a fireborn. 500 lvl 110 MS casted on a fireborn results in a death-by-comets (and not by fire)

Rednaxela wrote:In addition, perhaps the lvl of the rod should be limited to your skill lvl in what ever skill ends up being used to make this (whether it's like alch, or like a new spell).

Wouldn't that be thaumatology?

you should limit the level of the rod to the lowest level of the scroll or 1/3 the players thurmatology level.

so a lvl 90 person could make a level 60 rod, assuming all their scrolls are above lvl 60. maybe some evenying out of the math, but that prevents lvl 110 rods from being created...

Am I missing something?

I always thought 1/3rd of 90 was 30....

cavesomething wrote:Wouldn't that be thaumatology?

I think that thaum would work great for this RP wise (look at my first or second post, I think I mention it there). The only problem, is that making thaum a dule purpose skill, this, and it's old uses, might cause a little bit of a problem... (it would work, but I think that dule purpose spell and skills are sort of ugly)

Aaron wrote:you should limit the level of the rod to the lowest level of the scroll or 1/3 the players thurmatology level.

so a lvl 90 person could make a level 60 rod, assuming all their scrolls are above lvl 60. maybe some evenying out of the math, but that prevents lvl 110 rods from being created...

Hmmm... I think that's too extreme, I think that the chance of success should just be very low when tring to make rods above about 2/3 of your lvl

Mith wrote: anyway, i think the scrolls idea is nice for wands and staves, but just doesn't fit rods.

Using 500 lvl 20 scrolls of burning hands and an empty staff should give a staff of burning hands (lvl xyz) (500 charges left) with xyz =min(min(scroll lvl), skill lvl,max_lvl) where max_lvl is the max lvl you want to have wands and staves produced at.

So, X scrolls of Y (lvl Z) (and some other ingredients) produce a staff/wand of Y (lvl min(Z, skill_lvl, 110)) that has X charges left

Neat idea, however I think it would be nice if after a certain threshold number of scrolls (possibly dependent on mana requirements and/or min lvl of the spell), it should make a rod instead, or with an even higher threshold, a heavy rod. I think that would work REALLY well. Any ideas for possible formulas for well balanced thresholds?

Mith wrote:about the backfire: red death is not much of a problem, simply cast restoration
MS backfire is worse, even for a fireborn. 500 lvl 110 MS casted on a fireborn results in a death-by-comets (and not by fire)

ah.... but a large part of the problem for the unlucky player is the shear ammount of scrolls lost in the process

Just search-items scrolls and go killing for 3 days. You'll get enough.

bort wrote:Just search-items scrolls and go killing for 3 days. You'll get enough.

Enough scrolls of a singal type to make much use of it? I don't think so (except for really common ones like detect magic).

you can inscribe with any scroll, doen't need to be the same type.

bind cast spell; mark scroll; use_skill inscription; drop spell
if you want to keep the scroll, or don't drop it and you wil rewrite the scroll

woo wrote:you can inscribe with any scroll, doen't need to be the same type.

bind cast spell; mark scroll; use_skill inscription; drop spell
if you want to keep the scroll, or don't drop it and you wil rewrite the scroll

Ah... I misunderstood...
In any case I think that three days is'nt really too short an amount of time to get enough scrolls. In fact, I think it would be very big pain to have that amount of time wasted due to it failing (even if the side affects of the scrolls don't kill you). I don't see what's wrong with being able to get enough after a big 3 days of effort, and STILL have a large chance for failure

except that visiting a shop every reset isn't really that much effort, irritating sure, but that's where recuiting newbies comes in.